Do you think there are actually ANY TRADERS out there that make any money in the long run i.e. traders/swing?

Well of course people make money trading, but they are well seasoned, they know exactly how stocks work, and what the underlying forces are behind securities, 90% of the public do not understand the underlying momentum of securities, you cant trade randomly and think you are going to make money, seasoned traders make calculated trades that provide calculated returns this is the difference, there is no mathematical formula, it's like being a surgeon, you have to diagnose the patient then move forward that's how it works, with out the proper training you can not diagnose the patient now can you. It takes years of training to understand market dynamics, and the funny thing is no one is going to train you, http://www.investor-relations-firm.com